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Post by Ruhe on 2/8/2010, 17:13

Due to rampant piracy of Sandboxie registration keys tzuk has decided to implement a new activation policy.

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Post by noorismail on 2/8/2010, 19:30

Yep,It was bound to happen. Programmers,like the rest of us,have to eat.
That said,this thread is no longer as easy to blow off.

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=277540

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Post by wingman on 3/8/2010, 01:59

noorismail wrote:Yep,It was bound to happen. Programmers,like the rest of us,have to eat.
That said,this thread is no longer as easy to blow off.

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=277540

@ the expense of law abiding people, must be a rarity (to be law abiding).
The cost of software is ridiculous, excluding SBIE, and a few others. Why do we have to support support the revenue that is lost to pirates? Makes me want to go pirate, yarrr.
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Post by noorismail on 3/8/2010, 07:34

I know what you are saying bro..
Trips my trigger also
but what can you do???

It is always going to be the decent,law abiding guy that
gets played as a chump.

Next life will be different,
I do believe..

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Post by Rico on 4/8/2010, 11:35

I wonder if the activation scheme is a first step in turning sbie into subscriptionware... only time will tell Smile

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Post by ssj100 on 4/8/2010, 11:47

Rico wrote:I wonder if the activation scheme is a first step in turning sbie into subscriptionware... only time will tell Smile

Highly doubtful, considering probably thousands of people have purchased Sandboxie to be guaranteed "life-time" licenses. If it does become "subscriptionware", I suppose it would only apply to people who missed out on obtaining a "life-time" license. But yes, only time will tell. And during that time, who knows what else will happen in the world of security.

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Post by noorismail on 4/8/2010, 11:53

Rico,I really do not thank that is his intent.
I thank he is just trying to avoid being robbed blind from all sides.

The "one off" Business model has been called unsustainable in the past.

Coldmoon from Returnil has been vocal on this point.

Like you said,only time will tale.


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Post by Hawkwind on 4/8/2010, 20:45

Rico wrote:I wonder if the activation scheme is a first step in turning sbie into subscriptionware... only time will tell Smile

It looks like it is about to be implemented although the lifetime license will still be available.
tzuk quote:
I don't like yearly renewals for software myself so I don't expect people who kindly pay for Sandboxie to suffer that themselves. However I did design the option of time-limited licenses into the new product system, and I do plan to start offering time-limited licenses at a discounted price, for those people who prefer this model.

http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=56666#56666
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Re: Sandboxie now with online activation

Post by noorismail on 4/8/2010, 21:49

Hawkwind wrote:
Rico wrote:I wonder if the activation scheme is a first step in turning sbie into subscriptionware... only time will tell Smile

It looks like it is about to be implemented although the lifetime license will still be available.
tzuk quote:
I don't like yearly renewals for software myself so I don't expect people who kindly pay for Sandboxie to suffer that themselves. However I did design the option of time-limited licenses into the new product system, and I do plan to start offering time-limited licenses at a discounted price, for those people who prefer this model.

http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=56666#56666


Ok,well hell,there it is. Pretty well spelled out. Cant argue with it.
I didn't thank for a second he would shaft those with lifetime licenses,and of course he is not.

If this is what is necessary to keep Sandboxie alive and viable,(theses time limited licenses)I thank we are all on board..I guess I am,and money is tight.

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Re: Sandboxie now with online activation

Post by ssj100 on 5/8/2010, 01:57

If a life-time license model still exists, I don't see the point of having a time-limited license model with "discounts". Unless the "discount" is like 99.99% off or something haha. It's like asking someone if he'd like to pay 100 dollars for a life-time supply of petrol, or pay 2 dollars every time he fills up. It's clear that paying for a life-time supply will cost you less in the long run.

If the Sandboxie licensing model does become solely time-limited and require regular payments, I'll not be using it anymore (on my REAL system), but I will continue to promote it and test it in my VM. I already have far too many things in life that require "regular payments", and they all add up. Just my personal opinion though.

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Post by Guest on 5/8/2010, 04:59

I don't like rent/leaseware and wouldn't go along that road.

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Post by ssj100 on 5/8/2010, 15:25

Sandboxie 3.47.02 released - option to silently activate implemented:

http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=56715#56715

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Re: Sandboxie now with online activation

Post by noorismail on 5/8/2010, 22:27

Moved to "free for all"


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Re: Sandboxie now with online activation

Post by Ruhe on 6/8/2010, 02:14

Regarding offline activation:
tzuk wrote:http://www.sandboxie.com/index.php?OfflineActivation

It's only offline in the sense that the computer where Sandboxie is being activated doesn't need direct access to the Internet.

Source: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=56739#56739
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Post by ssj100 on 6/8/2010, 10:23

I've made a (heavily edited) post about some concerns I have with this new activation policy:
http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=56757#56757

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Re: Sandboxie now with online activation

Post by Ruhe on 6/8/2010, 11:56

You made some good points (holiday, server down...). Let's wait for a response and solution.
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Post by noorismail on 6/8/2010, 20:46

Yes I am pretty well with you and and all of your post.

The one thing I did find a little offensive from Tzuk was his comment earlier in the thread::

"People are still complaining about activation? Did we go back to 2002 and I didn't notice? I bet half the people who are upset about Sandboxie calling home have all their personal data stored on Google servers. Smile "

I don't have any data stored anywhere other than my machine,and DVD's.
but I did read a long, acrimonious,thread on the Wilders Formum where calling home was denied!!

Anyway with the history of recent spam attacks,and bogus bypass rumors against Sanddboxie,I am afraid to say much else least my intent be misjudged.

I remain a fan of the product,and confident of the integrity of the developer.

Bottom line I do not see this new registration process increasing goodwill.
It may save some bucks.

I guess a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.
(Or do what he thanks he has to do.)

Tzuk is a shewed business man,that I really thank cares about his users.
I will just watch how it plays out.

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Re: Sandboxie now with online activation

Post by tnegjm on 6/8/2010, 21:30

I see both sides of this. Tzuk had to do something to protect the hacking of SBIE which in the end will help it's longevity. This is obviously good for us. On the other hand we are the type that care about "light", unobtrusive, and no "phone home" qualities, among others, in our software (Especially security oriented ones). Ssj has raised some good concerns about Tzuk's online activation strategy. Hopefully someone can come up with a better idea that will be a good compromise.

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Post by noorismail on 6/8/2010, 21:57

tnegjm wrote:I see both sides of this. Tzuk had to do something to protect the hacking of SBIE which in the end will help it's longevity. This is obviously good for us. On the other hand we are the type that care about "light", unobtrusive, and no "phone home" qualities, among others, in our software (Especially security oriented ones). Ssj has raised some good concerns about Tzuk's online activation strategy. Hopefully someone can come up with a better idea that will be a good compromise.

That is well said.
nice post.
You put it better than I could.

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Re: Sandboxie now with online activation

Post by Ruhe on 6/8/2010, 22:07

What I'm thinking about, you will find no working license files or keygens for DefenseWall out there.
Ok, there is a trial reset...
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Post by wingman on 6/8/2010, 22:33

ssj100 wrote:Sandboxie 3.47.02 released - option to silently activate implemented:

http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=56715#56715

How does this work; option to silently activate. I would want to be notified if any program tries to connect to the web. What is the advantage?

One thing I am concerned about, take this scenario if he Tzur was to disappear like Tony the developer of Shadow Defender it seems like people would be left in the dust. At least with Shadow Defender I can just enter the code an all is well whether he exists or not. I hope he is OK.
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Post by noorismail on 6/8/2010, 22:47

You have a point Ruhe. Ilya tightened his security from the start,
and so no one notices,business as normal.

Tzuk plays catch up,on protecting his work,and some of us are disconcerted,
things have changed,paradigm shift.

Still part of the charm of Sandboxie was this almost "Open Source" feel it had.A Guy doing for pay,what he would probably do for free,because he likes it.

I never got that "feel" from DefenceWall.

Anyway the real ticket for both companies is to penetrate the larger market,and become household names,to other than a few of us hardcore.

I mean we actually like this stuff. The majority view Computer Security, as at best, a necessary evil.

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Post by ssj100 on 7/8/2010, 03:47

wingman wrote:
ssj100 wrote:Sandboxie 3.47.02 released - option to silently activate implemented:

http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=56715#56715

How does this work; option to silently activate. I would want to be notified if any program tries to connect to the web. What is the advantage?

You mention that you would want to be notified if any program tries to connect to the web. Do you have your system configured to always notify that your iexplore.exe or firefox.exe is connecting to the web every time you load a web-page etc? If not, then why would you want/need to be notified whenever Sandboxie connects out?

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Post by Guest on 7/8/2010, 04:48

It is rumoured on some Chinese forums that keygens etc in the West have "starved" Tony and Shadow Defender out and brought it down, (I'm guessing that there were not many paying customers using the product) (this may or may not be true) but I will put this to you.
I get the impression that Sandboxie, Shadow Defender, Defensewall etc do not meet popular consensus demands for useability, they are deemed by many to be too "techie" and complicated, tools for the elite, those in the "know", most of the pc users that I know in my locality have few apps on their computers, Office, an up to date virus checker (maybe!) and some image apps, photo, video apps and stuff that came with the pc, that sort of thing...and most do not want to know about stuff outside their daily "routine" They have never opened a pc, formatted a drive, been into the bios even installed an app and don't even want to.
Most apps like SB, SD, DW, have ridden on a development tide of semi "dark side" user support and gained immeasurably (in some ways) by this input/feedback,(unfortunately probably not financially). I think that most of the excitement, "drive" and stimulus that we have seen does not come from registered users that are middle of the road paying conventional pc people looking for a mcaffee or Doctor Solomons to keep the kid's pc safe (with all due respect to those people) but users that have "been around a bit" and like being at the "cutting edge" in security stuff. These people are a strange mix of "hackers" "crackers" old time "techies" excited "noobs", diverse both politically, economically,technically and not great bed fellows normally but in this particular context "all rowing the same boat" (in software development terms anyway!)
All three apps mentioned above have had their problems with glitches, bugs, incompatibilities etc and Sandboxie has always been in a state that you might describe as a "rolling beta" constant state of "flux". Whenever a full version has been released it has had to be followed fairly shortly afterwards by a "beta" again.
Most of this is to do with other software incompatibilities and solutions.
The Sandboxie forum is generally very busy and it is alway "next thing!" "next thing!"
I think that Tzuk's new "approach" in trying to achieve a mainstream commercial stability could have some very bad effects.
First Tzuk has always been know for his integrity..."good ol' Tzuk!", great programmer, modern, cutting edge security software, concise and constantly refined, developer available open to comment, input and constructive.criticism, etc. but in the end always "delivering the goods"
He has acted in development "style" (as noor mentions) like one of the best freeware developers with this tiny useful program and his adoring followers hanging on his every move and word, the main "kick" of involvment being the enjoyment of the "fraternity" "momentum" even as much as the software itself
I'll bet that many dark siders thought that tzuk "at heart" was "one of them"
The advocates of Sandboxie (and Tzuk), both The puchasers of Sandboxie (who feel that they are being checked on now unfairly) (they have fully complied moneterally but their software has been changed fundamentally and a "contract" broken) and the "darkside" "helpers" "fanboys" "enthusiasts" who haven't bought Sandboxie but feel that tzuk has betrayed them (in some way) for thirty pieces of silver"
As I remember Tzuk himself seems to suggest that it was not the odd key being about that made him come to his present decision but the intensity of complete disregard for his wellbeing by a few who meant to ruin him. (my own interpretation)
The problem is tzuk is a commercial programmer who has to make a living by perpetuating the life of his program and income but I feel he may have inadvertently done himself a lot of damage here both to the perception of himself personally "ethically" ( I know that sounds strange) and to the whole "concept" of Sandboxie in the context of the environment that I've tried to describe above. I don't think that this is a black and white situation where if you just block up revenue leaks everything will be alright in fact if you don't look at this "situation/phenomenon" "holistically" and act accordingly maybe the reverse could be true. (I fear that it might already be too late). I too also noticed Noorismail that tzuk had uncharacteristically lashed out.
I hope that this is resolved soon and that tzuk gets the income that he deserves.
These are only my own thoughts for people to ponder over (or not) Smile




noorismail wrote:You have a point Ruhe. Ilya tightened his security from the start,
and so no one notices,business as normal.

Tzuk plays catch up,on protecting his work,and some of us are disconcerted,
things have changed,paradigm shift.

Still part of the charm of Sandboxie was this almost "Open Source" feel it had.A Guy doing for pay,what he would probably do for free,because he likes it.

I never got that "feel" from DefenceWall.

Anyway the real ticket for both companies is to penetrate the larger market,and become household names,to other than a few of us hardcore.

I mean we actually like this stuff. The majority view Computer Security, as at best, a necessary evil.

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Post by Rico on 7/8/2010, 06:22

You know patrick, the funny thing is that I had a similar thought. I trust alot a person like tzuk, but I believe that his type of expertise could only have been gotten if he worked with blackhats maybe undercover? Reason being is the way sandboxie works is in essense as a benevolent "rootkit" with a user configurable interface. The pure architecture and mechanism of injecting itself into every program in the specified enviornment is indeed similar.

The cracker community realising these facts, have become furious and are hell bent on destroying his business. They abhor the idea of tech similar to identical to theirs is being used against them. They have taken this as a personal defiance and decided to flood the internet with keygens in response, getting foolish greedy casual users to not pay him. For once the good side has the edge and is one step ahead, which is driving them nuts. They dont need to crack sandboxie to save themselves its reg price, but they need to make it unviable for Tzuk to be able to support it; Hence destroying one of the most poweful tools in our security arsenals.

They spread rumors about it being bypassed. They bundled it with malware to get it blacklisted and removed by AVs. This is no coincedence my friends, but an organized and deliberate campaign designed to bring Tzuk down.
On a second note, I think that those who keygens for sandboxie could have been designed them to bypass it. cracks for security software tend to be the most dangerous ones.

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